Mambo Open Source Development Team - Letter to the community - Discussion

[mamboart]

http://news.mamboserver.com

The Board received Robert Castley's resignation yesterday. This sudden decision is a result of the hateful and childish bullying in the forums and by email, and is the same reason Robert left the Mambo community last year.

We are disappointed by Robert's departure but will now act to fill the vacancy left on the Board.

A little reaction suddendly - I thought they all have left the building inclusive miro  - I wonder how the cap will be filled now ??

[SageMan]

I would like to apologize to all international mambers on behalf of all Australians for the sequence of events that has occurred... the whole process was un-Australian.

Welcome to America. 

As in the US America.  I don't want to insult my southern brothers in the other Americas.

[rjs]

http://news.mamboserver.com

The Board received Robert Castley's resignation yesterday. This sudden decision is a result of the hateful and childish bullying in the forums and by email, and is the same reason Robert left the Mambo community last year.

We are disappointed by Robert's departure but will now act to fill the vacancy left on the Board.

A little reaction suddendly - I thought they all have left the building inclusive miro  - I wonder how the cap will be filled now ??

Childish? bullying? hateful? Miro needs a PR person quickly. Writing front page articles in this fashion is poor advertisement for the newly formed corporation.

[HarryB]

Wer should all let Robert speak for himself (or not as the case may be) on why he took this action.  Name calling and character assassination on both sides leads to nothing but more hate and discontent along with bad press for all.

I assume the vast majority of us, like myself,  know little about the events and history leading up to the messy divorce and probably never will....but that's OK with me...

[tjay]

I agree, in fact the time may have come for a little less venom in the posting on mamboserver forums.
We do not want to show ourselves to be that sort of community

[rjs]

Nice to see you have your mod status back Tjay!! Super.

[PhilTaylor-Prazgod]

Nice to see you have your mod status back Tjay!! Super.

I do hate being called a newbie again though :-( :-(

[tjay]

lol, I know what you mean. This is all very strange

[crecalde]

Like many others I have spent hours reading the latest postings on both forums, and also want to throw my support to the OSM team.  The CMS which cannot be named is an excellent example of human goodness, and the move by the copyright holder is an unfortunate act of profiteering.  But then I believe everyone here has already recognized that.

Thank you Dev Team for your efforts and your leadership by example.  I will gladly contribute time and effort to whatever we wind up calling the new CMS that ensues.  It feels like the right thing to do.

THANKS!

C.

[SineMacula]

Wow, so much can happen when you blink! I didn't think I had been away from the forums for very long, yet return to find the world has changed so much.

Despite the unhappy context of the split, I am confident the core developers will continue to have great success in the ongoing development of the best CMS around. Clearly, a significant proportion of the community is behind you, and you can count me in as one who throws his support your way.

I just wish I didn't have to start my post count all over! It took me almost two years just to get close to 300!

[joomlasolutions_JB]

One individual's actions can not characterize a nation, just as one individual cant speak for a nation. No need to apologize on behalf of all Australians!  The leader of the core dev team (Andrew Eddie) is also Australian.

cheers

Wow... how a few days can change the landscape. I was at a forum in Hobart three weeks ago singing the praises of Open Source and in particular the best CMS on the planet, which was later verified by LinuxWorld. I was also particularly proud that the original developer of the product was Australian.

I have just finished reading both forums end-to-end and Peter... in the words of a prominent Melbourne radio announcer (whom I don't like)... "shame, shame shame!" IMHO by your calculated actions you have destroyed your credibility and that of your company, and have severely dented our Australian ideal of giving everyone "a fair go."

The only way that you can rectify this now is to terminate the "foundation," hold a fair and open election, and transfer all IP to the new group. But I suspect this will never happen as your motives are possibly a little deeper than most people believe. What you under-estimated was the response, and I will whole-heartedly support the core team in their endevours and will never mention Miro again.

I would like to apologize to all international mambers on behalf of all Australians for the sequence of events that has occurred... the whole process was un-Australian. I am comforted by the fact that Andrew and Brad are there to help restore the CMS back to where it should be, and if I can help in any way I will.

[Predator]

Fosters beer also comes from australia 

[joomlasolutions_JB]

Fosters beer also comes from australia   ;D

which is another great example! no disputing that hehe cheers marko

JB

[Predator]

Fosters beer also comes from australia 

which is another great example! no disputing that hehe cheers marko

JB

I see you got one in your hand cheers John

[joomlasolutions_JB]

Fosters beer also comes from australia   ;D

which is another great example! no disputing that hehe cheers marko

JB

I see you got one in your hand cheers

its a Corona ( from Mexico ) ..

[tjay]

Now beer that is a subject I can enjoy.
getting ready to mix up a black and tan here, going into the fish tank to enjoy my other passion.

And no this is not an Aussie Issue at all. Some folks made some bad choices and did not anticipate the outcome.

[downunder]

Let me guess? The bearded one...Derryn Hinch!

Yes a man that makes outlandish statements in the media to garner coverage for his cause.... a bit like what is happening.

Does anyone know how I remove my name from the "other" forum. If everyone did it would sure send the correct message to the rest of the community.

[jamesdkirk]

Cool stuff all around! And isn't this the truest form of democratic action: a place where we have the choices to make decisions and move in directions that best reflect our hopes, dreams and desires? Equally, isn't it nice that we can "question" motives, actions, and techniques for getting from here to there? I think so.

Can't say I am nearly as devoted to the community as many of the core members, and "power users", however, I have been dabbling with the CMS for a while and like some of the other great OS communities this one has to be commended on the strength they have created over the years. This is observed not only in the numerous awards and accolades, also in the fact the apparent mass exodus from the foundation corporation, et al.

Personally, I think that's what makes the future of our existence in this crazy, hazy world have some amount of hope, some glimmers of sunshine. The Net allows for us to make deeply personal choices, and take firm stands for what we believe in. It allows us to hear and be heard, regardless of our command of the language, eloquence in communicating, country of origin or current homeland.

And don't forget about the countless end users, like myself that are counting on the continued development, and access to said development in the future of business plans, ideas, expansions, etc. While not using this CMS exclusively for every idea, every site, not having it available at all is hardly appealing. So, call it what you will, or simply go the "Prince" route, and refer to it as the CMS formerly known as... (j/k), but continue the ideal of coming together as a COMMUNITY/ASSOCIATION/GROUP of World Citizens that perform and produce the quality products and services that are going to allow for ever more creative uses.

[Elpie]

Does anyone know how I remove my name from the "other" forum. If everyone did it would sure send the correct message to the rest of the community.

I think they have settled down a bit on banning people. A couple of days ago all you had to do was post a link to this site and poof! Banned for two secs then appearing as "guest".  I don't know of any other way of removing a user account from there.  This is probably why that forum shows 40,000 + members - they get you and keep you forever!  LOL

[gkanks]

One more voice of encouragement here. You made a tough decision but the right one.

[downunder]

This is probably why that forum shows 40,000 + members - they get you and keep you forever!  LOL

Thanks Elpie, I am now trying more dramatic tactics.

For Interest. The TM Mambo is not owned By Miro in Australia and Mambo (clothing - Mambo Graphics) have vigorously defended it in the past. The only activity on the business name recently was that of a company MAMBO COMMUNITIES PTY. LTD was registered on the 10June 2005 to a VIC based company with the Australian Securities and Investments Commission but is probably not related.
However there have been multiple registrations of TM by  Miro International Pty Ltd
ACN: 091661157
      Level 18, 31 Queen Street
      MELBOURNE,3000,VIC
      AUSTRALIA
991150 for Mambo Siteserver - Lodged 1 March 2004 - Acceptance due 17 Sept 2005
991152 for MAMBO CMS - Lodged  1 March 2004 - Acceptance due 17 Sept 2005
991207  for MAMBO CMS - Lodged  1 March 2004 - Acceptance due 17 Sept 2005 (address change)
1048589 for MAMBO - Lodged 31 March 2005 - Acceptance due 23 Sept 2006

My question to Miro is when did they decide on the current strategy? It is obvious by the evidence that it was not in response to a recent push by the core group.

Question 15 by Ric Shreves:

15. This all seems so sudden and so final -- what was the lead up to this?

(Foundation)    Certain information became available that made us realise that what the dev team were telling us was in fact different to what they were planning. We had no alternative but to take control quickly once we learned what was going on.

This is an obvious lie...
and the evidence points to a year of planning.

[vkimball]

The only activity on the business name recently was that of a company MAMBO COMMUNITIES PTY. LTD was registered on the 10June 2005 to a VIC based company with the Australian Securities and Investments Commission but is probably not related.

I think that's the company Miro setup to run the mamboserver.com websites, etc.

[Alex Galindo]

I would like to apologize to all international mambers on behalf of all Australians for the sequence of events that has occurred... the whole process was un-Australian.

Welcome to America. 

As in the US America.  I don't want to insult my southern brothers in the other Americas.

America is ALL AMERICA!! from Argentina to Canada, all we are Americans

[TheSaint]

I would like to apologize to all international mambers on behalf of all Australians for the sequence of events that has occurred... the whole process was un-Australian.

Welcome to America. 

As in the US America.  I don't want to insult my southern brothers in the other Americas.

America is ALL AMERICA!! from Argentina to Canada, all we are Americans

Try telling that to the Canadians!

[Alex Galindo]

Well I spend 2 hrs reading 22 pages, you wrote so much. 

Is great to have many people behind this new aim, I'm a component mambo developer, I have 3 years working with Mambo, I think we need to work right now, start this fork, make a roadmap, take a good name (like Tango or Salsa or Danzon 'http://www.google.com/search?q=define:danzon').

We need a host with cvs, use all the people that want to work on the project (I want write many code lines on this).

So 'Working hand with hand".

Well, which is the next step?

[Alex Galindo]

I would like to apologize to all international mambers on behalf of all Australians for the sequence of events that has occurred... the whole process was un-Australian.

Welcome to America. 

As in the US America.  I don't want to insult my southern brothers in the other Americas.

America is ALL AMERICA!! from Argentina to Canada, all we are Americans

Try telling that to the Canadians!

Hehehe just take a look on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American, no more flame

Greetings from Mexico.

[jamesdkirk]

Does anyone know how I remove my name from the "other" forum. If everyone did it would sure send the correct message to the rest of the community.

I think they have settled down a bit on banning people. A couple of days ago all you had to do was post a link to this site and poof! Banned for two secs then appearing as "guest".  I don't know of any other way of removing a user account from there.  This is probably why that forum shows 40,000 + members - they get you and keep you forever!  LOL

Well, we could go the serious route of peaceful protestation, ala Ghandi. How about in a show of solidarity and support to the Core Dev Team, anyone/everyone willing go to those forums, and change their sig files to all include something exactly the same; be it text sig, or better have one of the creative artist types whip up some banner image, logo, sometihng that everyone could put into his/her sig files on those sites forums. Also, if going with the logo/image then make that image linkable back to the OSM site.

Hey, if nothing else, it would be great in the short term for the PageRank of the OSM site  :o

[TitanKing]

Just to let you all know im behind the new evolution... 

[carstenwm]

have one of the creative artist types whip up some banner image, logo, sometihng that everyone could put into his/her sig files on those sites forums. Also, if going with the logo/image then make that image linkable back to the OSM site.

Yes! That would be one way - I've included this in the footer: "This page is made with the cms formerly known as Mambo
and it continues to be Free Software released under the GNU/GPL License." (sorry if the english is incorrect)

[shaifful]

I will always support you guys.
If you get a new name for mambo, please... please do make announcement.
I would like to support you guys as what I always do. I will change my domain name to reflect my support to opensource.

I will remain with you, and support open source community.
All for one and One for All.

May God Bless all your great Efforts!
Thanks.

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