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k, but, i think that dang horse is dead.

As I read Jombok is only £5, I just bought that even though I have no immediate use for it, to show the dev' some support.
I see he features an add for tufat.com on his site, which is IMHO a great ressource for cheap, yet excellent scripts (PHP & Flash): every single one, from a full-blown Fash chat to a simpler Gallery, is just $5! If more Components were sold at that price, or even $10, I'd buy them all just to support the dev and keep them coding. But some prices are a bit out of my ressources (like Globodigitals Support one, which is really good according to the docs..). Too bad. Either you try to go for quantity and cheaper, or expensive and less sales. And even Flashchat at $5 is on warez sites.. sad world.
Hasn't this matter been discussed enuff by now, everything been said?
I'm off to bed anyway

Much appreciated it is too.

Four pages and still going? Can't we just let this thread die? (This is my last post in it, I promise.)

I am all to happy to consider using commercial components with Joomla. I have had requests for features that I could never have built and I could never have done it for $100 or less. Also as so many point out OS is free. But people need to eat. So, joomla is the most fantastic of products with so much potential for building out from the core components.

As a professional developer I'm look for ways to save time and costs. I can in turn pass the savings on to the client. This allows me to be very cut throat with my local compeditors. And as others have pointed out many of the creators of these commercial components are also active members here in  our community. Supporting their side projects, in my mind, is just another way of supporting our community and Joomla in general.

So commercial mods and coms are a great thing, thanks you so much for all the hard work. We inturn try to keep the spirit by doing lots of pro-bono work for NPO's and supporting contributers when ever possible.

I can never say it enough, thank you, thank you, thank you!!

I have an additional request to make for commercial components in the extension section.

After running through a lot of components I discovered that many commercial components play the game of creating a golden chain to another commercial component. I will try to explain what I mean by this.

Take, e.g., the component that Joomla.org's extension section uses to display the 3rd party components: Mosets Tree. Great component, yes, perhaps even worth paying the $100 for one (1) domain license. Suppose you want to use Mosets Tree in combination with SEO-enhanced urls. Then you really must use Emir Sakic's (coincidentally a Joomla! core dev) commercial component "SEF Advance". Mosets Tree is build in such a manner that it can only work with Sef Advance and not with Open Sef, an equally good component developed under the true open source flag.

Hence, the golden chain from Mosets Tree to Sef Advance.

My additional request is that developers that publish in the extension section will be transparant about the golden chains they have build into their product. Have I mentioned the word Shady yet in this post? Shady

And so, my fellow community members, ask not what your Joomla can do for you; ask what you can do for your Joomla!.

Grab a rock, dude.

AmyStephen, Habbekrats  has a point. It doesn't matter to me wether they make money with commercial software. But the golden chain Habbekrats point to is a bloody shame. Give the buyers the choice to choose and not forced them to use.

You know what, Apollo. This conversation has gone on long enough. There are no new points being made and the last point came very close to being slanderous.

By "grab a rock" I mean let's each - you - Habbekrats - me - each of us - do something to help the community. Let's quit pointing fingers and let's get busy. When my kids, who are teens, come home from school complaining about others, I remind them they can only control themselves and that they have to work on their own integrity, not the integrity of others. That's what matters.

Grab a rock. Answer someone's question on the forum. Volunteer on a work group. Donate some money. Create a free, open source application that puts these applications you all disagree with on the street. Find a way to make a difference and quit complaining about other people.

And for crying out loud --- you guys who are whining about not having a choice -- get a backbone and HAVE A CHOICE. But, quit taking away the choices from others. No one is forcing you to buy anything or use anything.

I am sorry to be so disagreeable but this is the FIFTH page of a discussion that MUST END.

Please, grab a rock. PLEASE!!!! 

And, btw, it looks like you help out a lot, Apollo. THANKS!

AmyStephen, you don't need to thank me. Just try to give something back to this community.

I understand your point and this tread will not change anything. But before I end this discussion, might I remember you some of your own words. Don't take it as an offence.

Also... don't worry about the debates ... even if it looks like 'trolls/flames' ... I appreciate the openness and believe that these debates really do help the community build consensus. 

Many times, I think "nice" people just want everyone "to get along" and inadvertently shut down the debate too soon. If the issue is not resolved, it will just rise up again or we will lose people.

True; point taken. I think, though, that Habbekrats crossed the lines with his personal attack. I do not take offense and appreciate you reminding me of what I really do believe true. 

Please add this to my quotable body of work:

Be very careful when you name someone and accuse them of reprehensible deeds. Make certain your life is clean. Make certain that you are prepared to back up your claims. Make certain the damage you inflict on someone's reputation is indeed justified. And make sure you are helping in some significant way when you are expecting everything to be given to you freely.

....or something a little more catchy...I'll have to work on the wording so that it withstands the test of time, but you get my drift. 

Thanks for your response, Apollo, and for responding with class. And, I do mean it when I say you are obviously helping and it is both recognized and appreciated.

Habbekrats - next comment from you should be a response to my question: what have YOU done to help the community? I am guessing that there are things you have done and continue to do. I am looking for specifics, dude! 

@AmyStephen: I have done, does it matter?

Yup - it matters; thanks Ivo. I also think you have always conducted yourself with the *best behavior* in the debate. It is MUCH appreciated. Thanks.

Heh, what do you mean with *Best Behavior*?

Excellent question, Ivo. Let us discuss what that means. Everyone interested, please join me http://forum.joomla.org/index.php/topic ... w.html#new and let's see if we can make an FAQ that describes what is "good behavior" for debates such as these.

PLEASE come over there and CONTRIBUTE to the discussion.

Does anyone else think it's time to close THIS debate? I do.

AmyStephen wrote:You know what, Apollo. This conversation has gone on long enough. There are no new points being made and the last point came very close to being slanderous.

Please explain why you think the last point is close to being slanderous. I also don't think it was a personal attack, but the poster was using an example of what he was referring to. 

You may not agree with what was said but that doesn't necessarily make it wrong. 

Closing thread. Original topic is over it seems