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Re: What happened to the forum today???

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:44 pm
by tydust
Regarding mod_rewrite, broken old links, the CSS-less links, etc:

In testing, it worked. In practice, not so much. These are being addressed as soon as possible, we definitely made allowances for the old URLs... but in the end they did not work as anticipated.

We are working to fix.

Re: What happened to the forum today???

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:48 pm
by alledia
Wonderful to hear - thanks Ty

Re: What happened to the forum today???

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 10:13 pm
by thebhoy
Excelent the way things have happened, Thank you.

The Search is still defaulting back to the catagories though.
Keep up the good work. :)

Re: What happened to the forum today???

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 12:23 am
by mihu
Good Job! ... Everything is kind of "BIG" ... haha .. or the font is different.
BTW, can we have our popcorn icon.

Re: What happened to the forum today???

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 5:50 am
by fshagan
I'll vote against the change due to the security problems phpBB has always had (just make sure you religiously keep the updates current, and prepare to spend hours with each update if you've done any mods). And the forums are much, much slower, so you may have some issue (or phpBB3 does).

But my personal preferences aside, I know a forum update is a massive undertaking, so all the work is appreciated.

When I converted my sites from phpBB2 to SMF, I used several re-direct files to send folks to the new forum (in a new directory), courtesy of a person who is on the same shared server. The format would have to change to go the other way, but here's my "redirect viewtopic.php" that sends links from the old forum to the new:

Code: Select all

<?php
Header( "HTTP/1.1 301 Moved Permanently" ); 
$topic = $_GET['t'];
Header ('Location:http://www.messing-about.com/forums/index.php?topic=' . $topic . '.0');
?>
That might be a way to capture the ones you aren't currently redirecting.

Re: What happened to the forum today???

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:13 am
by MindTooth
Good job guys.

Expecting a new design soon. Because using the original phpBB3 style, sucks.

Birger :)

Re: What happened to the forum today???

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:46 am
by darb
I assume you are using the Rokbridge for this and there is a bug "..Regarding the lowercase username stuff..." Hope that will be fixed if this is a problem here..
http://www.rocketwerx.com/forum/viewtop ... 3&start=40

Re: Forum update

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:07 am
by hungryOrb
Quads wrote:
hungryOrb wrote:It may just be getting used to it, but there definetly seems to be missing function. Can't find 'New replies to your posts' option, and also posts that you havent read are not automatically set to display as bold and no icon :(
From the forum main page, just under the header, you'll find:

View your posts •View unanswered posts • View new posts • View active topics • Mark forums read
Within a post or in a specific forum, you'll have some, but not all of the above.
Aha thankyou Quads, if the function is still there, at least only at the start, then it will be as used as it ever was on my part :)
I haven't really looked into this much, even though I should be moderating a phpbb3 forum currently, but is there an easy way to enable a solved feature again? Perhaps an easier way? :) If there is, I'd love to hear about it.
Thanks again for the good work guys, I can't truly appreciate most of what you do, but, for what I can, I am grateful :]

P.S. Oh and perhaps a 'New replies to your posts' function :]
Oh my, that's cheeky xD

P.S.P.S. To change the text size, permanently, you could alter the global sizes by holding control and scrolling with the mouse scroll.

Re: What happened to the forum today???

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:28 am
by darb
Something like a discussion bot would be nice like this one from Object clarity :) http://www.objectclarity.com/index.php? ... elect&id=2

Re: Forum update

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 11:39 am
by RobInk
hungryOrb wrote:It may just be getting used to it, but there definetly seems to be missing function. Can't find 'New replies to your posts' option...
Missing that too !

Re: What happened to the forum today???

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 11:51 am
by dkarlovi
fshagan wrote:I'll vote against the change due to the security problems phpBB has always had (just make sure you religiously keep the updates current, and prepare to spend hours with each update if you've done any mods). And the forums are much, much slower, so you may have some issue (or phpBB3 does).
I don't think this is a "let's vote on which forum software we'll use" kind of situation, phpBB is here. ;D

Anyway, if you Joomla guys are working on the rewrite rules for old URL's, I'd love to see the solution because I'll be in the same kind of situation soon (migrating to J1.5 / phpBB3 from J1.0 / SMF).

Re: What happened to the forum today???

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 12:33 pm
by darb
dkarlovi wrote:
fshagan wrote:I'll vote against the change due to the security problems phpBB has always had (just make sure you religiously keep the updates current, and prepare to spend hours with each update if you've done any mods). And the forums are much, much slower, so you may have some issue (or phpBB3 does).
This is just spreading of bad rumours to phpBB. And not true.

But of course its also a problem with thousands of bad modifications, bad server settings etc etc to phpBB by novise people during the years that have caused this problem and bad rumour.

I don't believe there will not be any problem for Joomla after this initial period and if they don't make a lot of insecure modifications not tested properly. One concern is how to improve the speed optimization Joomla-phpBB though... ???

Re: What happened to the forum today???

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 1:06 pm
by Roman Blanty
fshagan wrote:I'll vote against the change due to the security problems phpBB has always had (just make sure you religiously keep the updates current, and prepare to spend hours with each update if you've done any mods). And the forums are much, much slower, so you may have some issue (or phpBB3 does).
At this point at least it seems that new forum is faster.

For those who would like to migrate existing forums to phpBB there is a place all about 3.0 converters on phpbb site. Lot of stuff to read.

Re: What happened to the forum today???

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 1:38 pm
by quiquedcode
Hi
Congrats for the move, but I personally don't like due fshagan's comment about security risks and troubles phpbb has, but I know you guys will overcome this, and will have things working great as always
I guess this move will make the forum less bandwith hogging, etc. so go on !!

PS: change skin :D ;D

Re: What happened to the forum today???

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 2:05 pm
by jdl123
Congrats on the huge undertaking, nice to see a new design, and it does seem a bit faster, but I think you should have waited a few months or at least thought it through a bit better.

The best thing about the old forum was the usability, especially in terms of searching - when I was having problems, I nearly always quickly found a solution and could get back to work. Now you've completely killed the usability/searchability, at least until google catches up, and this forum is huge. How in the world should we find anything in the meantime? Do we really need to go to each forum and sub forum?

I don't know phpbb very well, but there must be an advanced search that will allow searching across selected forums. If there is one, can you please turn it on?

This forum is first and foremost a resource, at least for me as the "end user", and up till now it was a very valuable one, but now it is useless as far as that goes (at least for the time)... and that at a "critical" period with the learning curve and implementation of 1.5.

Sorry, but the first phrase that came to my mind, especially when I see topics I need in the google search results but can't get to, is a rather sarcastic "oh, thanks."

Re: What happened to the forum today???

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 2:11 pm
by RobInk
jdl123 wrote:...The best thing about the old forum was the usability, especially in terms of searching - when I was having problems, I nearly always quickly found a solution and could get back to work....

Use the link/url http://forum.joomla.org/search.php I'm guessing the theme is the cause that advanced search is not showing on each page yet.

Re: What happened to the forum today???

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 2:23 pm
by jdl123
RobInk wrote:Use the link/url http://forum.joomla.org/search.php I'm guessing the theme is the cause that advanced search is not showing on each page yet.
Right on! Works like a charm. Thanks for the quick reply!

Re: What happened to the forum today???

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 2:34 pm
by tusker
Yes search is quiet stable now but still having problems with friends/foes lists and bookmarks or subscribed topics are all empty. May be needed to convert or add database in phpbb3 for that... May be work is still going on.

Re: What happened to the forum today???

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 2:45 pm
by tusker
Old forum is now available in google and yahoo cache only, and it will be gone from there soon. Use internet wayback machine if you are in love sincerely. :o

Re: What happened to the forum today???

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:12 pm
by timothy.stiffler
darb wrote:I assume you are using the Rokbridge for this and there is a bug "..Regarding the lowercase username stuff..." Hope that will be fixed if this is a problem here..
http://www.rocketwerx.com/forum/viewtop ... 3&start=40
Actually, there is no bridge at all. The phpbb forums are standalone. ;)

Re: What happened to the forum today???

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:30 pm
by darb
timothy.stiffler wrote:
darb wrote:I assume you are using the Rokbridge for this and there is a bug "..Regarding the lowercase username stuff..." Hope that will be fixed if this is a problem here..
http://www.rocketwerx.com/forum/viewtop ... 3&start=40
Actually, there is no bridge at all. The phpbb forums are standalone. ;)
hmm so the Joomla team have done their own solution? :o

how are you syncing users? so Joomla phpBB is not using the Rokbridge authentication at all? how have you done this?

Re: What happened to the forum today???

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:45 pm
by timothy.stiffler
Hehehe,
The users are not synced to Joomla!. When you registered, you registered in phpbb3 (or SMF if you did on the old forum). The Joomla! code is not attached to this site in any way. The reason it looks like the other Joomla.org websites is because of theming and coding the phpbb3 site.

All other sites on Joomla.org sites do use Joomla 1.0.14, however, and do have registration within those sites separate from forum.joomla.org

Re: What happened to the forum today???

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:17 pm
by Suad
This is looking fine for me, but I would like to know how is phpBB 3.0 integrated in jommla? Is it wrapper and some bridge?

Re: What happened to the forum today???

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 8:26 pm
by brad
Suad wrote:This is looking fine for me, but I would like to know how is phpBB 3.0 integrated in jommla? Is it wrapper and some bridge?
It is completely standalone.

Re: What happened to the forum today???

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:45 pm
by skipmartin
So search still isn't working... is there anyone who is working on the upgrade who can give us an update on search functionality? As cool as the new board may be, it doesn't do us much good if we can't find the things we are looking for... ;D

Thanks!!
Andy

Re: What happened to the forum today???

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:48 pm
by brad
skipmartin wrote:So search still isn't working... is there anyone who is working on the upgrade who can give us an update on search functionality? As cool as the new board may be, it doesn't do us much good if we can't find the things we are looking for... ;D

Thanks!!
Andy
When I reindex the db, search will work again. I have no ETA though.. still busy on others things right now.

Re: What happened to the forum today???

Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 6:07 am
by fshagan
darb wrote: This is just spreading of bad rumours to phpBB. And not true.
Your experience might be different, but its impolite to say I'm lying. I'm speaking from experience with phpBB since 2001, with one moderately busy forum that has over 200 regular users and 50,000 messages in the database. In that time, they have had 22 security releases averaging one every four months. Each one required hours of my time to update the software. Search for "phpBB" and then "SMF" at http://search.securityfocus.com/ and you'll see SMF with 5 pages of results, while phpBB has 34 pages. phpBB3 may be better, if they have adopted the "one click upgrade" process used by other systems. But the number of hackers targeting the ubiquitous phpBB means you have to stay ever vigilant.

But, that's just my opinion on the software. The change came at a bad time for me, because I was struggling to find a way to reinstall J! without losing all my content and settings, and I couldn't find the answer. Timing aside, we have to remember the people doing this are volunteers, and they do a great job. Its a massive undertaking on a forum this size, and they are working very hard to restore functionality. So, I appreciate it even though it sounds like I'm complaining! ;)

Re: What happened to the forum today???

Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 6:22 am
by tusker
No doubt they have done a great job and I think future versions of phpbb3 will be more secure than ever. I think phpbb3 is more stable and secure but it is too early to say anything about this. :'(

Re: What happened to the forum today???

Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 8:37 am
by darb
fshagan wrote:
darb wrote: This is just spreading of bad rumours to phpBB. And not true.
Search for "phpBB" and then "SMF" at http://search.securityfocus.com/ and you'll see SMF with 5 pages of results, while phpBB has 34 pages. phpBB3 may be better, if they have adopted the "one click upgrade" process used by other systems. But the number of hackers targeting the ubiquitous phpBB means you have to stay ever vigilant.
Sorry.

But I didnt say that you are lying just that its so much bad unfair rumours to phpBB. And in my opinion its not true compared to other apps of this type.

A also believe that a lot of things have happened for the good about security, standards and how we build apps today compared to the situation of year 2000 when phpBB started. It would also mean that we have better skills, procedures today to make things of better quality also for security reasons. So it would be easier today to create a secure app then it was at that time bcs today we think security from the beginning of our dev process.

I checked quickly and I also think If you go through these 34 pages of phpBB (http://search.securityfocus.com/) in detailj with significance to security of core phpBB you will also find a lot of these security holes for phpBB coming from tweaked phpBBs and also modifications(mods) for phpBB. Thats what I mean.

Re: What happened to the forum today???

Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 5:03 pm
by newart
Maybe this forum couldn't the best one in the world but I think to wipe SMF out was a good idea. We are open source and it is better to use real open source forums...

about PHPBB I know it is widely used, but just for talking about, what to choose (or what's in your opinion the best choice) after SMF experience? Obviously with our open source philosophy