Joomla! 1.5 Beta-2 — The Developers' and Designers' Revolution!

matt83 · Post by **matt83** » Wed May 30, 2007 5:26 am

I would love to use Joomla, but I am stuck between either going with the old version or waiting for Joomla 1.5 stable.

I have heard you wont be able to "upgrade" to Joomla 1.5, so it really isn't worth installing the previous version if thats the case.

I have tried Joomla 1.5 Beta-2 on my local system and it works well. But I cant install it on the webserver because of the risks.

I am wondering how long it will take to get the stable version released? Are we going to have RC1 and RC2?

I am also wondering whether people are being anal about it all and just want a Beta-2, RC1 and RC2 just because its "cool" to have that. Its not cool, it isn't cool leaving people in limbo as to whether to WAIT or INSTALL the previous version.

I am ready now, as are a lot of other people. It would be so much better if we could just upgrade from the previous version.

iainshaw · Post by **iainshaw** » Wed May 30, 2007 6:31 am

The original announcement might help in explaining why the Dev workgroup are using Beta2 and RC1. If you're desparate to get a 1.5 site up in Production you'd be better off waiting for RC1 and of course helping the process by testing Beta 2 now

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dido · Post by **dido** » Wed May 30, 2007 8:17 am

Just look arround for an timeline till the stable release, but i havent found one. For actual projectplanings it would be helpful to know how long it takes till stable point of Joomla 1.5. At the fact that Joomla 1.5 really different to 1.0.x we wonna beware some double work .... :-)
Regardless of this we test test test :-) and 1.5 looks like a great step into the right direction ...

matt83 · Post by **matt83** » Wed May 30, 2007 8:20 am

dido wrote:Just look arround for an timeline till the stable release, but i havent found one. For actual projectplanings it would be helpful to know how long it takes till stable point of Joomla 1.5. At the fact that Joomla 1.5 really different to 1.0.x we wonna beware some double work .... :-)
Regardless of this we test test test :-) and 1.5 looks like a great step into the right direction ...

Thats great to test, but with no upgrade from the previous version to 1.5, it really puts a lot of people out so to speak.

I'm not exactly running a blog!

Post by **Tonie** » Wed May 30, 2007 9:45 am

Work is being done to provide a migration component that will migrate Joomla content from 1.0 to 1.5. This will also provide hooks for 3rd party developers so they can use this as well.

Post by **ghosty** » Wed May 30, 2007 9:57 am

dido wrote:Just look arround for an timeline till the stable release, but i havent found one. For actual projectplanings it would be helpful to know how long it takes till stable point of Joomla 1.5. At the fact that Joomla 1.5 really different to 1.0.x we wonna beware some double work .... :-)
Regardless of this we test test test :-) and 1.5 looks like a great step into the right direction ...

I think it's better not to provide a Timeline, as all Contributers and Developeres are doing this in free time!

Well I think 1.5 Stable will be released as soon as it's finished

Cheers

Pete

Post by **AmyStephen** » Wed May 30, 2007 12:54 pm

If people are interested in "timeframe", Wilco blogged on Beta 2 testing and talked about RC timeframes.

Matt - Seriously, I nearly spit out my coffee when reading your concern that we might be having a "Beta-2, RC1 and RC2 just because its "cool" to have that." LOL! Oh, my, no! Matt - this is important testing - in particular for those "not just running a blog!." A number of minor, but important, issues are being discovered and reported in the Joomla! v 1.5 Quality and Testing boards. The developers respond to this feedback and, for those following along with the SVN updates, lots of changes are being made daily.

The difference between conversion and migration is one step. We will run a script against our existing databases and it will produce a file. That file will be used during the install of Joomla! v 1.5 - the step where you normally install the "test data" - instead you will point to this migration file and your website will be loaded. As with everything else, the developers are making our lives easy. Piece of cake.

Amy

newart · Post by **newart** » Tue Jun 05, 2007 9:30 am

About timeframe, on my own I'd like to see also a beta 3 if necessary. I'd like to get the best results for our Joomla!

iainshaw · Post by **iainshaw** » Tue Jun 05, 2007 5:29 pm

Agree with that. There's a lot of us out here that want it right ahead of wanting it now

dex · Post by **dex** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 2:13 am

I've got 1.5 up and running. It's great! It's fun! It has lots of essential mods and some lovely little touches on usability. I can see the potential. I'm glad it's here and I am happy to wait for a full release.

I think it's an easy thing to sell to developers, but I am wondering....

...if you had to tell an end user what's so special about 1.5, what would you say?

I keep wanting to rave to my clients about it....

newart · Post by **newart** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 6:41 am

dex wrote:...if you had to tell an end user what's so special about 1.5, what would you say?

... and between an old Ford T vs a Red Barchetta? It's the same problem... they have both 4 wheels... indeed the same number of wheels, not the same type of wheels!

pvh123 · Post by **pvh123** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 6:43 am

newart wrote:
... and between an old Ford T vs a Red Barchetta? It's the same problem... they have both 4 wheels... indeed the same number of wheels, not the same type of wheels!

Which makes it more reliable on the road. Faster as well?????

dex · Post by **dex** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 6:47 am

yep, ok, But really what shall i tell them?

This is a serious question, because they are going to part with big bucks for an upgrade...

I'm a big fan, but is this a techie's upgrade?

newart · Post by **newart** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 7:00 am

dex wrote:yep, ok, But really what shall i tell them?

This is a serious question, because they are going to part with big bucks for an upgrade...

I'm a big fan, but is this a techie's upgrade?

First of all, I presume you know about the NO-USE of a beta!

About what to tell to end user... you cannot upgrade anything to a Beta version!

When ready, the stable version of 1.5, you can use it. And about what to say... I think of faster, easier and so on... but if the end user doesn't understand... what can you tell them

a slogan? It's hard for me to reply at this without talking about 1.5 by "advertisement words"... is it that the case? (sorry for my reply but I don't understand what you exactly mean)

dex · Post by **dex** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 7:08 am

Yes, I'm not going to put anyone on the Beta, but they've known it's coming for quite a while now, so I am giving them some idea about what an upgrade will give them, when it may be required and how much to budget.

I think faster, easier to use is the go.

newart · Post by **newart** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 9:47 am

That's ok and maybe you could also suggest something about security matters or that the 1.5 has a future... 1.0.x versions are at their last days... better support... and much more...

pvh123 · Post by **pvh123** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 11:02 am

Jiokes aside, Dex.
I presume that your end-user is the developer of websites or are you referring to the people that are using the website?

If you want know what's in it for the website visitors, that all depends what you will deliver as far as content and facilities go.
Easy navigation, everything in the right place, plenty of articles and a regular refreshment of information.
In short, the things you need to bring your visitors back time after time.

The real advantages start with the person building the website and those who are responsible for the content (Article publishers).
Quick development? Yes but you can do that with Joomla 1.0.x as well.
Hold on, 1.5 is easier to handle. I started with Joomla 1.5 beta and had never worked with any Joomla version before; my background is ASP
Immediately I had a good feeling about it. If I was to go back to 1.0.x, I would not know how to do it; it would take me more time to learn.

As far as the technical bit goes, I presume you are in the know about it. If not, let meknow or visit the development board.

Post by **AmyStephen** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 12:23 pm

Dex -

Check out Leadict's J! v 1.5 Documentation Resources which include links on what changed. Also, there is a discussion about when to migrate in the Lounge that might also be of interest.

All the best,
Amy

dex · Post by **dex** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 9:16 pm

Thank you people. All valuable comments.
I wondered, Amy, if you would come in on this one!

I'm on top of most of the technical issues and discussions and I know that most of my clients (owners of sites I build) will not migrate for another 12 months or so, but I think it's useful to keep them informed and primed for new possibilities, and I want to prepare them for the upgrade by making it sound as wonderful for them as it is for me. Bring on the good news! Sometimes clients can see an upgrade as a pesky expense rather than noting the benefits for them. A bit like (for me) paying my accountant!

I guess I will stress speed (essential), ease-of-use (Which vey much strikes me - hooray!), security and future compatiblity. The deep joy of open source is that hundreds of unsung heroes out there are keeping this technology up to date for me, without so much as a thank you.

so THANK YOU!!!

newart · Post by **newart** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 6:23 am

dex wrote:I guess I will stress speed (essential), ease-of-use (Which vey much strikes me - hooray!), security and future compatiblity. The deep joy of open source is that hundreds of unsung heroes out there are keeping this technology up to date for me, without so much as a thank you.

so THANK YOU!!!

well, if you can, you know, you can help Joomla!

Ankabout · Post by **Ankabout** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 5:07 pm

I know it's taboo to ask these two questions, but I was hoping there could be at least an indication.

I'm talking about when 1.5 will be ready for release. RC1 would be alright, but of course preferably. I don't need to know whether it will be August or such. But is it possible to say whether it will be before Christmas, or no way before Christmas, or next summer? I have no idea how long these things take, so I was wondering if anyone can help me out?

The second thing is: What's the risk of running a Beta? If I am paying for hosting somewhere, and I were to install the beta. Is it a risk for the entire server, or a risk for my part? I am thinking of doing some testing online, and seeing as there's nothing on my server that is risky, I was wondering whether this would be possible?

Post by **nathandiehl** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 8:27 pm

1. well, as Amy stated earlier, Wilco blogged about a timeframe: http://www.joomla.org/component/option, ... ,33/p,331/

2. a beta software is messed up, and full of bugs. you could do testing online, that shouldn't be a problem. Why we suggest you don't use it for a live site is because at any time, something could break...
But you'd be fine for testing. In fact, you're encouraged to test!

good luck!

tommad · Post by **tommad** » Thu Jun 28, 2007 8:22 am

ghosty wrote:I think it's better not to provide a Timeline, as all Contributers and Developeres are doing this in free time!
Well I think 1.5 Stable will be released as soon as it's finished

Cheers

Pete

I don't think so. I have projects which i want to realize (of course) with Joomla! and for planning it would be very helpful to know a timeline. Now, if a customer ask me for the new Release i have to say "nobody know's this" and i think that's not a good answer

I know it's hard work but for every project should a project-plan be available

thx

brad · Post by **brad** » Thu Jun 28, 2007 8:43 am

tommad wrote:I don't think so. I have projects which i want to realize (of course) with Joomla! and for planning it would be very helpful to know a timeline. Now, if a customer ask me for the new Release i have to say "nobody know's this" and i think that's not a good answer
I know it's hard work but for every project should a project-plan be available

thx

If you wish to help speed up development, you may wish to help. Please see: http://dev.joomla.org/content/view/14/55/

tommad · Post by **tommad** » Thu Jun 28, 2007 9:04 am

Hello,

I know and i have tested a lot and found some bugs too.

But in my opinion there should be a plan too have an overview. The situation in the moment unsatisfying: What should i say to my customers or how should i plan the new projects (it not really good to set up after or during a project with 1.0.12 a migration project to 1.5):

regards

Post by **AmyStephen** » Thu Jun 28, 2007 12:46 pm

Tommad -

Certainly, you are not suggesting that it is Joomla! org's responsibility to decide whether we should use v 1.0.12 or v 1.5 or to instruct us how to phrase responses to our customer base on top of creating our free core software?

The more we, in the broader community, do, the faster v 1.5 can progress. If we want things done more quickly, then, we certainly should contribute more. So, for example, if you found bugs before, maybe you can find more bugs and also submit patches. And, for gosh sakes, don't stop until it's done!

The situation will only get more satisfying when we, the community, get more involved - or become more patient if we expect everything to be done for us.

All the best, Tommad,
Amy

tommad · Post by **tommad** » Thu Jun 28, 2007 1:02 pm

Hello,

I think you missunterstood me. Of course is Joomla! org's responsible for this steps and i don't want to instruct anyone.
I am MAMBO/Joomla! User/Supporte for about 4 years in other (german) communities and moderator of some forums too - i spend much of my freetime with joomla! - testing, help other person's, write tutorials and so on.

But i am not satisfied with the situation at the moment. Joomla! is one of the most known CMS, 1000's of people work with Joomla! every day. Most of them want to know the timeline for the next releases to organize their business - is this wrong?

Possible Timeline:
Beta1 - 12. October 2006
Beta2 - 5. May 2007
RC1 - x. December 2007?!?
RC2 - x. June 2008?!?

Regards Thomas

TomT · Post by **TomT** » Thu Jun 28, 2007 1:09 pm

It's not wrong, it's impossible. They are working hard on it and the more people help the faster it will go. What's the use if they say: it's finished next month and than they say: sorry, we didn't make it?

Post by **AmyStephen** » Thu Jun 28, 2007 1:12 pm

Tommad -

It's not wrong to want a timeline. The best timeline information we have available to us is from Wilco's blog. Since his blog, however, the GPL discussions have certainly taken precedence.

I thank you for your contributions, which sound significant, to our community. It is because of work like you perform that Joomla! can be made available to the people of the world.

As things settle down, again, I am certain we will get updated information from Wilco, again. He has been very good about providing in depth status reports on the v 1.5 effort.

Again, thanks for all you do, Tommad, it's very much appreciated.
Amy

Post by **AmyStephen** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 12:13 pm

Tommad - and all interested -

Wilco has a Google developer post RC status, short update and short update on devs helping out that gives a hopeful glimpse at progress with Beta 2.

Amy

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