Locking Threads?
Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 6:27 pm
Moderators;
I understand I am new here, and shouldnt rock the boat until I have established myself as a "qualified" joomla user. I assure you, I need allot of help with setting up Joomla. However I can also assure you that I have done a significant amount of time to educate, study and learn website community development, and I have a great concern.
My post specifically deals with the locking of this thread...
http://forum.joomla.org/index.php/topic,228462.0.html
Admins should lock threads because they are abusive, not because they say stuff you or others don't agree with. The loss of the debate that multiple debates that were occurring is a grave loss. Linking a WebSite as fraud does help promote google rank, so simply remove the and make the link "encrypted" example... h t t p ://
Last I knew this was an open community and an open source application. Facilitating healthy debate makes progress, by locking threads that do not deteriorate into flame wars is a grave mistake and misconduct. If Joomla is in fact an open source development, then having open discussions about all things is in fact contributing to the project... One of the greatest tools we can use to progress is healthy discussion, and that can help shape the rodemap of the future of this project down the road, and potential avoid any mistakes.
Your response maybe that this had no relativity to development or Joomla development, but I would greatly disagree with this view. The communication of certain community based conversation and moderation rules is a topic that should be discussed and revisited on a regular bases. In addition, you have blocked people from providing valid solutions... as I have had one...
I am greatly saddened to see the mistake that had been made in locking the thread.
First of all, the forum is locked probably to prevent people from giving this person traffic. Yet by locking it you failed to allow me or others to provide report fraudulent links on major search engine and even that work with the browsers like FireFox to prevent the access of these sites. You have failed to allow us to work as a community to come up with a VERY valid solution. In addition, it is likely that the person involved had his user name and password farmed, and was failed to be warned about the possibilty of someone coming on this site and illegally using his account.
I also have a VERY long and detailed background on studying the culture of cyber criminals (notice I dont use the word hacker). It is in their best interest to go un-noticed. Brushing issues under the carpet as I have felt has happened here, is in fact playing into their hands. When there is a security threat, the worst course of action is to censor the open discussion of it. The top priority is to inform people that there are Joomla phishing sites out there, and to be carefull. Something this thread does.
Another discussion should be made about how security holes are found and reported. This topic itself deserves an entire thread dedicated to it.
P.S. I have seen this and other common mistakes in open source development before, and in many cases, the loss of communication ultimately ended up with users abandoning the project, and eventually leading the project into the ground. I have witnessed other CMS systems fail because of these issues, and have also seen other Open Source applications fail..
I hope this is in the right thread...
I understand I am new here, and shouldnt rock the boat until I have established myself as a "qualified" joomla user. I assure you, I need allot of help with setting up Joomla. However I can also assure you that I have done a significant amount of time to educate, study and learn website community development, and I have a great concern.
My post specifically deals with the locking of this thread...
http://forum.joomla.org/index.php/topic,228462.0.html
Admins should lock threads because they are abusive, not because they say stuff you or others don't agree with. The loss of the debate that multiple debates that were occurring is a grave loss. Linking a WebSite as fraud does help promote google rank, so simply remove the and make the link "encrypted" example... h t t p ://
Last I knew this was an open community and an open source application. Facilitating healthy debate makes progress, by locking threads that do not deteriorate into flame wars is a grave mistake and misconduct. If Joomla is in fact an open source development, then having open discussions about all things is in fact contributing to the project... One of the greatest tools we can use to progress is healthy discussion, and that can help shape the rodemap of the future of this project down the road, and potential avoid any mistakes.
Your response maybe that this had no relativity to development or Joomla development, but I would greatly disagree with this view. The communication of certain community based conversation and moderation rules is a topic that should be discussed and revisited on a regular bases. In addition, you have blocked people from providing valid solutions... as I have had one...
I am greatly saddened to see the mistake that had been made in locking the thread.
First of all, the forum is locked probably to prevent people from giving this person traffic. Yet by locking it you failed to allow me or others to provide report fraudulent links on major search engine and even that work with the browsers like FireFox to prevent the access of these sites. You have failed to allow us to work as a community to come up with a VERY valid solution. In addition, it is likely that the person involved had his user name and password farmed, and was failed to be warned about the possibilty of someone coming on this site and illegally using his account.
I also have a VERY long and detailed background on studying the culture of cyber criminals (notice I dont use the word hacker). It is in their best interest to go un-noticed. Brushing issues under the carpet as I have felt has happened here, is in fact playing into their hands. When there is a security threat, the worst course of action is to censor the open discussion of it. The top priority is to inform people that there are Joomla phishing sites out there, and to be carefull. Something this thread does.
Another discussion should be made about how security holes are found and reported. This topic itself deserves an entire thread dedicated to it.
P.S. I have seen this and other common mistakes in open source development before, and in many cases, the loss of communication ultimately ended up with users abandoning the project, and eventually leading the project into the ground. I have witnessed other CMS systems fail because of these issues, and have also seen other Open Source applications fail..
I hope this is in the right thread...
