Extensions not published

[bennieblanco]

Hi
I uploaded 2 extensions on 9/1/07 . One of them was published 2 days later , and second one is still pending or it is unaproved after 2 submitions .Once on 9/1/07 and once on 9/15/07 .  I verifeid if the text is ok and canot find anything wrong. Could you please advise . Extension name , My Frontpage Slider. Also it would be nice to know reason why certain extensions are not published.

Thank you

[ot2sen]

Hi bennieblanco,

My mistake, sorry 
I simply mixed up two similar cases, and it seems that only the one was contacted.
Just sent you an email.

The problem here and in other similar cases is that we cant approve extensions that require membership of a template club.
If its required to be member of a template club, to be able to download an extension, then all members know about the extension already, and a listing in JED would only be an extra ad for the template club.

[bennieblanco]

But how is that fair? You are publishing extensions from extension clubs which their customers already know about like the Ninja Joomla extensions or any commercial extension, by  your statemant we should change name to templates and extensions club in order to have our extensions published. Many usrers sign up because of extensions not getting the templates at all.

[ot2sen]

Understand your point of view.

We will discuss this issue within the team. Just give us some time. Thanks.

[bennieblanco]

Thank you for understanding.

[Danayel]

Why not seperate your clubs?

There is a difference betweena template club and an extension club.

Sorry to have caused you grief ot2sen 

[bennieblanco]

Why not seperate your clubs?

There is a difference betweena template club and an extension club.

Sorry to have caused you grief ot2sen   :-[

You are joking right? This has nothing to do with your club , same thing with elearning force or Ijoomla.  Extension is extension , if commercial extensions are published with no problems than all extensions should be published

[Danayel]

I am not joking.

Because this situation could be used by deceitful people (not you obviously) to create one or two extensions to put on the JED simply to get people to visit their template club.

You will notice that other Template clubs such as RT and Joomlart have seperate extension and template clubs.

Why can't you?

[bennieblanco]

Have extensions club means making extension and be comited to it. You are missing the complete point and trying tho draw your but out so you can continue do what you are doing and that is PROMOTE YOUR SITE.

Am I wrong here?

You want to tell me that you just publish extensions for the heck of it . Please do not try to be to smart . Like I said all extensions are same and should be treated as same and should all be published , no matter if my grandma or me is making it.

I will not make extra club and commit to make extensions every time. I will release what I can and when I can , so if I choose to  let the people know that the extension is available I think it should be published with no restrictions.

You make $$ of your club and YOU publish here because YOU want people to know about YOUR club. I think you have the idea now what I am refering to.

And this post was not ment to be like this so please do not think that soemone is trying to make a bad rap about you , just stay beside and let publishers handle it. They will not take your extensions down do not worry. Alone your comment "Sorry to have caused you grief ot2sen"
says it all.

[Danayel]

What a nice calm, logical, well reasoned out response.

The causing giref comment was because you started using me as an example. I am not sure what 'all' it says. 

The other template clubs (who have extension clubs) I mentioned don't commit to regular extensions either. The extensions they do list on the JED to 'promote their site' are always free and not part of the template club membership.

Your case it would seem is unique.

I am not saying there is anything wrong with promoting your site, but there are avenues for promoting Template Sites, and Avenues for Promoting extension sites. You are trying to sit on both with the one site and get more promotion than everyone else.

People don't go to the JED looking for template clubs, they go looking for extensions. Yes I have a club, but's an extension club. The only templates I have are for community builder and Fireboard, both extensions.

Why are you so aggressive about splitting your extensions from your templates? If you are truly doing it so people are going for your extensions and not your template club why can't you split them up? The only reason to keep them together is to make people get into both when they only want one.

You could even offer a discount for people who get your extensions if they also join your template club so they pay the same cost to get both.

I am not trying to start a fight here, or be smart. If you really aren't trying to push the system why are you so angry at being asked questions about what you are doing?

I was just offering you a solution that would let you keep your extensions listed and not cause confusion to people.

At the very least you should put a notice in the bottom of yoru extensions *NOTE: This extension is part of the Youjoomla Template Club and requires a Subscription to the club to access*

I have that exact same statement in all of my extensions which you need to pay to access so that people know they have to pay and join the club to access them.

If you were to do that then I see less problems and less risk with having Template club extensions listed.

Would you consider that fair?

[bennieblanco]

Ok very fast and note I am repeating myself. For a guy who is coding your should think faster.

I am mad at your personaly becasue you dont get the idea. The idea is all extesnions are equal. And not us should make the change JED should make  achange. But your statemant is not confirming that.And I thought that you off all should understand whay I am trying to do here.  In my post I said  "ninjooma or any commersioal extensions".


I mentioned you because on that day I saw 10 of your extensions published all at once. If there was someone else I would have mentioned them. That is all.
You knwo how it was in the school , no one liked the snitch and you my friend started to comment like one. This is why I fired  back. I asked publisher a simple question and they understud whay I ment but you did not.No grief. And about this

At the very least you should put a notice in the bottom of yoru extensions *NOTE: This extension is part of the Youjoomla Template Club and requires a Subscription to the club to access*

You obviously never visited our download section or news about our extensions , they all say that the membership is required .
And answer to  the question what I was doing is simply publishing an extension. Do you think is fair to have your free extension published and the commercial one not? Well that is kind of what is happening here. If it is free ok if someone has to pay then it is not.According to rules here  If I would not have any templates and have, let say news site than publish an extension that requires paying membership for news my extension will be approved , but since I have templates the extension is not approved.

We can go on a whole night like this , but just understand same rules should apply for everyone no matter what kind of site you have

[Danayel]

Stop being so aggressive. It is not productive at all.

I would never have even entered this discussion if you hadn't started using my group name to justfy your position.

Please also stop insulting me simply because I don't agree with you. It just makes you look bad.

Try instead to reason with me and you might be able to change my mind. 

re the membership required comment: I was not referring to your download section, I was referring to here on the JED. I am not trying to make you jump through extra hoops. I have to do this myself  

You might think that all extensions all create equal but the people using the JED do not. I don't, and can't know the specifics of the extension in question. But was it listed as commercial? Subscription donation? GPL?

Did it say 'you need to join our club' on it? 

People using the JED feel decieved if they click on an 'extension' listing and instead get sent to a 'template club' .

I know because before I put up that notice I got complaints about it! I am trying to stop you getting bad JED reviews and complaints.

People generally don't care if its a 'free' listing, but when they think they are clicking a 'free' extension then get told they have to pay they get upset.

If your JED listing clearly says 'this requires club membership' then ther should be no problems and no one gets upset.  No one can feel tricked.

Arguing about it and getting more and more angry doesn't improve your chances of getting listed or mine. so calm down and discuss it rationally.

[AmyStephen]

Danayel - let's allow the Joomla! Extensions Directory team answer community member questions and avoid telling people how to run their business. As a friendly warning, this is the second thread in this forum that you are hijacking. It's okay to start your own thread which could be a way of avoiding conflict.

Thanks for considering!
Amy

[bennieblanco]

every extension we published here has note underneath that says if it is commercial or not or if it requires a membership so you are right when you say that you don know what extension we are talking about. I am not angry , I am trying in 10 post to explain to you what the trouble is here. The extension clearly says 'this requires club membership'  but it is not being published because I have templates club. I hope you understand me now

[AmyStephen]

Understand your point of view.

We will discuss this issue within the team. Just give us some time. Thanks.

More importantly bennieblanco, the JED team understands.

Let's let this go until they respond. That's what will matter.

Amy

[bennieblanco]

Thnx Amy , I just find out that other extension that was published is deleted, you see things like this just make you think.

Look Ninja 
My Frontpage Module


http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:A3 ... cd=7&gl=us

and clearly says  Donationware / Subscriptionware  |  http://www.youjoomla.com  |  Updated 32 days ago

[AmyStephen]

You'll get it all straightened out. Go through your extensions - get your questions together and you will be given a reasonable answer.

All the best,
Amy

[Danayel]

I cant answer this in anyway that doesn't look like I am inflaming it. So I am out of here.

All I will say is:

@bennie, Don't use other people as examples to support your requests then insult them when they respond. I would prefer you never to use my name or the name of my club again in any of your forum posts.

@Amy I did not hijack either thread. Both were discussions on the original topic. Please check the other thread where I quoted the original writer. If you had concerns perhaps a pm would have been better instead of publically trying to hijack a thread yourself by claiming I was hijacking it so any response I make is continuing the hijack.

Bye.

[bennieblanco]

Funny guy

[LorenzoG]

Ok, we must be able to have discussions without it get to inflamated.

Remember we all have our different views and many times it's good to hear what others thinks. Irrespective if we agree or not agree, it's important that we respect the others views.

For to get back to the original question. I want to refer to Ot2sens reply and we have to discuss which line we will take in this matter. It's not only about bennybianco case, it is also about other similar "border line" cases. If you have an extensions club, then it's pretty clear. It's about extensions. If you have a template club and also have extensions, then where to draw the line? .. It's also about what our members and users apprehend and that they feel it's fair to obtain an extension irrespective if it's free or it's commercial. I guess we have to look case for case, but first we have to discuss this internally so we apply the same values for everyone.

But please, feel free to continue to discuss it as long you respect your others views. We are listening 

[bennieblanco]

Ok, we must be able to have discussions without it get to inflamated.

Remember we all have our different views and many times it's good to hear what others thinks. Irrespective if we agree or not agree, it's important that we respect the others views.

For to get back to the original question. I want to refer to Ot2sens reply and we have to discuss which line we will take in this matter. It's not only about bennybianco case, it is also about other similar "border line" cases. If you have an extensions club, then it's pretty clear. It's about extensions. If you have a template club and also have extensions, then where to draw the line? .. It's also about what our members and users apprehend and that they feel it's fair to obtain an extension irrespective if it's free or it's commercial. I guess we have to look case for case, but first we have to discuss this internally so we apply the same values for everyone.

But please, feel free to continue to discuss it as long you respect your others views. We are listening 

This is exactly what I was refering to. Who should be able to post their extention here and where is that line? Obviously people  on the  team also have different opinions since one of my extensions was published and deleted few weeks later. So please take your time to evaluate and let us know what you think. In my eyes there canot be a line.Here is why.

Etension is for community , no matter if you pay or not. It is made for Joomla so joomla should promote it if possible. I could have signed up under different name and post the same extension that already has my site info in it and it would have been posted. But someone decided that since I have a club I canot post here. It is discriminating  and just does not feel right.

Than you have people who just sell extesnions, no club nothing .And we all know about new licennse. Still they are more than wellcome to post their exetnsions. So this is why I said every extension should be published no matter where it comes from.

[ruven]

Wow, such poor a showing all the way around.

@ Danayel - He used your extension as an example, and it was a completely valid example since it is the precise issue he is having a problem with. Benny was acting civilized before you advised him on how to run his business, nobody likes that type of unsolicited advice.
And honestly your "grief" comment to the moderator was kinda odd. It could have easily have been misunderstood to mean that you yourself decided to apologize on behalf of Benny for his poor request.
Im sure thats not how you meant it, but it could be misread that way.

@ Benny Blanco - You are coming off very badly here, it could be that you are foreign maybe (as you get angrier your grasp on english gets worse it seems), but.... you are 100% correct in your point of view.
All extensions should be listed, end of story.... specially if you allow comercial extensions.
Either only allow the free ones, or allow them all without these resctrictions.


The bottom line here should be the Joomla User, thats who the joomla team should be looking out for.
As users we need to know when a new extension comes out so we can decide for ourselves if the extensions is worth buying or not.
And if that means that we need to join some templace club... well thats a choice we should be allowed to make.
But not allowing us to even KNOW of the existance of some new extensions is actually..... well its stupid on Joomlas part.

These extensions are the lifeblood of your entire operation.
Joomla 1.5 is at RC3, thats pretty much as stable as it gets, and ive test driven the thing, its awesome in comparison to regular ol' Joomla.
Yet people arent reacting as strongly to it as one would think.
The obvious reason.... POOR EXTENSION SUPPORT!

You guys know that on your JED you have an extension that retails for 300 dollars right?
I think that guy has another TWO extensions for sale... thats it.
He gets to list his insanely priced extensions... thats deemed ok.
Why isnt this?

Most (if not all) of these websites are about making money.... what the person offering an extension sells should not be the determining factor.
If it is... it shouldnt be that the guy sells TEMPLATES, the very thing that makes people choose Joomla over the "technically" superior competitor Drupal.
You guys have an army of dedicated template makers who make sweet looking things for us regular users to get all excited over.
Drupal doesnt have that kind of support and thats why they arent as great an option for a CMS the way Joomla is.

Here's the best example i can give you Joomla guys....

Lets say i have a porn website... i invented JooPorn or whatever.
That all i do, i supply porn for the masses.
I charge 50 bucks a year for you to join JooPorn.com.
And i also happen to have made ONE joomla extensions.
My JooCanDoPorn2 module that you can place anywhere on your website.
This module allows the users of your site to upload their home porno movies directly to the JooPorn. com servers.
It also lets you display a live stream of any JooPorn.com content for free.

Guess what.... under the present way that JED is run, JooCanDoPorn2 would be eligible for listing just fine.

Yet Benny Blanco's extensions still arent.
Its beyond logic to me.

JED should be a complete clearinghouse for the Joomla user to make the best and most educated decision regarding what extensions to purchase.
You can label extensions which come at a price, even if they are offered free as long as the person pays for some kind of "club" or service.

For that matter... you should split the JED, its becoming a big combersome beast... and thats only going to get worse.

You have a few choices... a free JED, a commercial only JED, a 1.0 series JED, and 1.5 NATIVE series JED.

Hell you should have a TED as well.
Templates are as important as extensions for the Joomla community.
Ive been working with Joomla for 6 months and im STILL finding template clubs out there that i never heard of before.
Its a pain when you dont find what you need so you settle on the next best thing, then a few months later you discover a template club that has exactly what you need, and now you have to go and join another club.
Sure thats going to happen when new templates come out, but when it happens and the template you wanted was older and possibly even cheaper... well that kinda sucks.


Geez i cant believe i went on such a rant... i dont even have any reference point to anyone on this post, well except Amy and her awesome tutorials

[glassman]

ruven,

I agree with you.  If commercial components are allowed to post or maintain their listing on JED, when joomla doesn't "allow" non-GPL extensions, then others should be able to post their extensions no matter what kind of site it is.  Isn't posting in the JED just a commercial ad for the Commercial Extensions.  If it is a useful extension, useful to the community, AND they are making it GPL compliant as the core team have requested, it should go up in the JED. 

Like ruven said, let the user decide whether it is useful.  I don't think someone should have to make a second site to be able to add something to the community.  And if they go out of their way to make an extension for the community, by all means, let them have a second ad.  If it isn't useful, there is the rating system that will rank it's usefulness and users can decide for themselves based on the ranking.  If it is a piece of garbage, and people start leaving low rankings, it won't be a very good ad for that template site.

My 2 cents.

glassman

[bennieblanco]

It has been a year and no comment from the team. Could someone please comment on this. And for some strange reason my news items are not being published either since couple months. I went trough the instructions and fowled it word by word on how to post news items, there is no errors. All articles are written in the third person , and the links open in new window.