Put someone with some maturity in charge...

[bryantwest]

Hi

I'm a happy Joomla fan. Love that there's an open source community developing components and modules for such a great product, in fact it's those developers in my mind that’s makes Joomla a success, the third party guys (Sobi, VirtueMart… great functional additions).

My suggestion is this, stop and have a think what you are doing... we (as fans) have gone from Joomla 1.0.x stable.... and now we have Joomla 1.x stable, that’s two products... and a wider community now developing third party extensions for two products... that don't work together, making one or the other redundant based on functionality (or extended functionality). Who's idea was that? What was the point? What is the point? What are the benefits?

For mine (and open to advice) it just seems a Microsoft’s orientated business decision.
Divide and conquer? in your own community? looking at the latest news section I see Joomla is moving towards another release (1.0.14 and 1.6), could it be that the Joomla core community is more excited about another .x on the scale rather that the community as a whole?

This is not a dig at Joomla, I'm a fan. More I question the splitting of Joomla into two different products negating the work that the 'community' has put into the 1.0.x series, negating the work that has gone into 1.x (as will most probably not work with 1.0.x) and creating twice the work load for developers that are prepared to develop extensions for both platforms (and platforms is a term I really associate with Microsoft).

Anyone else think the same? or am I just barking up a wrong tree?

[Rochen]

I am not sure I really understand what you are getting at but let me try and address the matter of there being two versions and possibly three in the future.

Version 1.5.x has only just been released as a stable build and as you pointed out there are many changes from 1.1.x. As a result Joomla can't expect all of the userbase to migrate from 1.1.x to 1.5.x overnight so they need to continue supporting 1.1.x in parallel with 1.5.x.

This is the same when any major changes are made to a script or application. To use Microsoft as an example, since you mentioned them above, although they have released Windows Vista they continue to support and release updates for Windows XP in parallel with Vista.

Only after Windows Vista has been out for sometime and the vast majority of Microsoft's userbase has migrated over to it will they cease support and updates for XP. It is the same with Joomla, only once the majority of the userbase has migrated to 1.5.x will support and updates for 1.1.x cease.

Another good example here would be the PHP Group. They currently have three versions being worked on or supported: PHP4 (legacy stable), PHP5 (stable) and PHP6 (development). The PHP Group has only just announced PHP4 as being "End of Life" but PHP5 has been out for years now.

So to summarize, it is necessary for Joomla to continue supporting 1.1.x and 1.5.x for the time being but eventually 1.1.x will be phased out. You will then go on to having either 1.5.x on its own for a while or it will take the place of 1.1.x in the development cycle and 2.x.x (or whatever the next major version is called) will take the place of 1.5.x.

I am sure a member of the development team can clarify further on this topic...

- Chris

[jmc]

Well said, Chris!
Umm... Bryant... those more "mature" visitors to this Forum are all well aware of the reasons behind the development of the 1.5 release. Not to mention the eventual (and inevitable) abandonment of support for the original 1.whatever series. The 3rd-party Devs on whom this decision impacted (and continues to impact), have also been well aware of this progress for, like, ever!!! The Joomla Devs DID "stop and think" what they were doing. And WE were all here at the time it was discussed to death through the Forums. You're a bit late in the day to roll on in here and start having a plug at them, for something which has been a "done deal" for a long time now.
And, yes... I think you're barking up the wrong tree. Mebbe if you dragged that (obvious) immature Microsoft-bandwagon bug outta your ass, you'd start to see things a little more clearly.
John Mc

[RobInk]

Moderator note;

Talking about mature:

Mebbe if you dragged that (obvious) immature Microsoft-bandwagon bug outta your ass

Could we please remain civil, it is easy to misunderstand such comments/replies.

[jmc]

Argh! Hoist by my own petard
Apologies offered. Sometimes I'm too sarcastic for my own good. I do, however, find this endless demonizing of the ubiquitous Micro-corp tiresome, ill-informed and childish in the extreme (given that most of it is propounded by kids who weren't around when the Great God Bill started the ball rolling. Anyone older than that should have more sense!).
Plus, I don't suffer fools gladly. My bad >:D
John Mc

[bryantwest]

Easy tigers.

Not a neewbie, just a user that lost his username and password and had to recreate.
Some of you missed the 'this is not a dig' line, more just a question.

I'll still stand by having multiple product lines can be problematic, to say the least (if it makes some people happy, I won't mention Microsoft). I can understand the need for developoing a product for future growth (albiet, and this is the point for those that missed it) with legacey support.

That's my point. And yup, sorry for the lateness... been busy but the frustration has been with me for awhile now.
Thanks Chris I get your point, I guess my issue is that the Joomla community has (as of writting this 2775) extensions, the product path that you pointed out would negate 75% of these would it not?

I've read the dev section on product paths... just me, but not big on it.

[brad]

Easy tigers.

Not a neewbie, just a user that lost his username and password and had to recreate.

Please PM me some of your old accounts details and I can help you recover it.
Thanks.