Discussion about : Joomla! 1.5 is on the Horizon ...

[AmyStephen]

Thanks so much Louis and Johan -- you guys are really great. You have so much to do this month with the conferences and the beta coming up. Keep the goal in mind - what you guys are building is going to make such a difference to so many communities of people -- to connect and communicate; inform and enthuse; education and encourage. You guys will facilitate that -- on a world scale -- and I hope sometimes it is difficult for you to fall asleep just thinking about what an amazing role you have and what you are a part of. Hell, who knows? maybe you will even find RippedTrojans a date.  

Keep the faith.

[pdaniel]

Hi, just a small thing. In the installation where using the moo.fx at least in Internet Explorer the fonts get nasty, to fix this you must set the background of the area where the font are, in this case white.

Thanks for the great effort you guys are doing. 

[theperthgirls]

Thanks for all the effort you put in to keeping Joomla updated and moving forward.

theperthgirls

[atom]

I really do hope SEF/SEO is also being taken to the next level with 1.5. It would be nice not just from a search engine ranking point of view, but also to improve compatibility with third-party software like SMF.

[Asphyx]

we are completely separating logic and presentation in 1.5.... you will be able to override presentation.  Granted it won't be via patTemplate, but it will be possible.

This statement is very intriuging....

Can't wait to see it in action...
Seperation of Logic and presentation is a major milestone for the project....
When ACL is finally implemented Two of the biggest problems in the history of the project will be resolved!

Great work team!

[rippedtrojans]

... Hell, who knows? maybe you will even find RippedTrojans a date.  

Yeah! Can the joomla core member write up a module that can find me a date? hmmm... sure beats blowing up a plastic doll I suppose... Just Kidding, keep up the good work guys!

[Asphyx]

http://www.barbi.com/

Easier on the lungs! LOL

Mod note: before anyone complains

[AmyStephen]

Asphyx!!!!

[Sicarii]

http://www.barbi.com/

Suppose some random link out of your bookmarks, eh Asphyx

[Asphyx]

Not random at all!
LOL

[ankoud]

Thank you for your great work.

[TarantinoArchives]

since there are a lot of major changes from 1.0.x to 1.5, especially in terms of core and encoding, how will upgrading work, essentially? i suppose changes to templates and to database will be necessary....
will there be an upgrading mechanism?

[Asphyx]

From what I understand there are no major changes to the DB structure as it is...
Internationalization and the sepration of Logic and presentation do not really require changes to how the data is saved, only in how that data is manipulated by the code.

So upgrades should not be a major problem as far as the DB is concerned...
There may be some issues with 3PD components (as is always possible even with minor upgrades) but the core team estimated about a 80-90% compatability rate...this is quite a high number for a release with as much in it as 1.5

And from what I can tell the majority of 1.5 was housekeeping on the code in preperation for what is needed to implement the 1.6 (formerly 1.2) feature set....

that is where I expect some changes to the DB might occurr and if and when the DB does change I am sure that a SQL script to easily upgrade the DB will be provided...

[Hackwar]

Hi Asphyx, hi Tarantinoarchives,
let me correct on that one.

Joomla 1.5 will need a new, clean install, since the filestructure has changed so dramatically, that everything else would not be feasible. Because Joomla 1.5 uses UTF-8 to store the data, you will need to either convert your db or import your data into a new db that allready uses UTF-8. There are also quite a few additional rows in the different tables that have to be added and tables like #__mambots have to be renamed to #__plugins. There will be a migration instruction at least, if not even a script that will do the job for you.

There will be no big changes in the 1.x series to the db. The further versions are not decided yet, but a complete rewrite of the db-scheme will come in 2.0 to get rid of a lot of the problems in the design of Joomla. Every version after 1.5 in the 1.x series will only need you to copy patch files over your current installation and executing a series of SQL-commands.

[TarantinoArchives]

Joomla 1.5 will need a new, clean install, since the filestructure has changed so dramatically, that everything else would not be feasible. Because Joomla 1.5 uses UTF-8 to store the data, you will need to either convert your db or import your data into a new db that allready uses UTF-8. There are also quite a few additional rows in the different tables that have to be added and tables like #__mambots have to be renamed to #__plugins. There will be a migration instruction at least, if not even a script that will do the job for you.

yeah that's what I was thinking of.

[Asphyx]

Thanks Hack,

Glad you corrected that quickly and sorry for giving out bad info...
I didn't think of the UTF-8 ramifications to the DB...

[howdwegethere]

Hey I was just thinking. Why don't you go the whole hog? Follow Microsoft's lead and call the next release 3.0!

[siro]

congratulations on the progress..

i've been wondering; why has the roadmap changed? i can see no information anymore on planning for ACL1/2 release.

[Hackwar]

ACL1/2 will be combined into one release. Due to design problems, there is no satisfying way to do this in a two step process. Although we renamed it to enhanced user and access managment, because it will re-do the whole code in that area.

The roadmap has been shortened since the devs are unsure what will come next. In the last 3/4 year, the core team really had a lot to do and a general fear is, that it will overheat. Consider what has been done: Allmost completely rewritten code, two new sub-sites, a LOT more communication from the core to the community and in general there are a lot of developments that are prepared for future use in Joomla. (Think about the google summer of code) All this has taken a lot of power from the core team and they want to take a slower pace before starting with the next version, to plan it right, estimate schedules better and presenting a conclusive plan what will be in the next version.

What I can tell you so far is that we will have complete ACL support in the next version. Not everybody in the core knows about this allready, but I will fight for it. (To be exact, I discussed it with a few of the devs, but they haven't really made a clear statement on this one. However, Louis is very eager to start with me on the whole thing.)

In general, I want to tell thanks to the core and to Johan and Louis in special because of their dedication and invested time into this project. It's really amazing how much has been achieved and although we have a few people complaining, I'm sure we can satisfie those few in a few weeks.

[siro]

Thanks for this satisfying answer! Good luck to the whole team!

[Mr. Wimpy]

I have to install a cms for a client later this month.

I read further down that a clean install would be needed because of the change in the filestructure. How much will this effect the extentions? Is there a way to know which extention is 1.5 compatible?

Personally I'd be interested in the compatibility of events calenders for the site I'll be creating.

[brad]

If you take a look at: http://extensions.joomla.org you will note the versions that developers have tested their extensions with. That being said, many are not yet '1.5 certified' (I like that phrase ) however I am sure it will not take the 3PD's too long to make their extensions 1.5 compatible.

[fapeixoto]

Hello team

Thank you very much for your work. I'm a librarian and an information manager and I'm bulding a great website for my institution all thanks to you guys.

One of my life projects now, since I've started to use Joomla is to learn how to program PHP and how to build components, modules, mambots... to start being an active member of this wonderfull community. I have some ideas but with this handicap of don't know how to program...

One more thing. What about unlimited sub-categories will be in the 1.5 version? This would be pure gold.

The best things in life to all of you
FaPeixoto

[Hackwar]

multilevel categories will not be in 1.5.

[mcbade]

Hey team,

Press on towards the mark!

I have a bit of a newbie question about 1.5. 

When it is said "Multi-language support" what is that?

a) That languages used for menus and interfaces will support languages?
b) That a site that supports menus and content in different languages  (like forks of content for various languages supported)?
c) Both?
d) Something else and I'm just not getting it :-)?

Please define.

Thanks!

-John

[AmyStephen]

I have a bit of a newbie question about 1.5. 
When it is said "Multi-language support" what is that?

Hey John!

Jinx (Johan) just published an update on the development site regarding v 1.5. < http://dev.joomla.org/component/option, ... d,33/p,77/ >

In his update, he points to the newest JoolmaJuice interview with Alex Kempkens, a Joomla! core developer. Alex has been the primary developer working on Joom!Fish, the multilingual content manager.

You can hear this interview with Alex:  < http://www.joomlajuice.com/ >

And you can read more on the Joom!Fish here < http://extensions.joomla.org/component/ ... Itemid,35/ >

For the rest of you, John is a PHP techno-nerd -- he is only a newbie to Joomla! and has been doing a masterful job getting a website up and running in Japan. Multi-language support is obviously critical to what he is trying to do. Any help you brainiacs give John will be well invested.

Amy

[Hackwar]

To clearify Amys statement: 1.5 supports translating all "static" strings in both front- and backend. Translating content has to be done via Joom!fish.

[mcbade]

Amy, Hackwar,

Thanks for the replies.

I'm very interested in Joom!Fish and admittedly my understanding is still "in process".  What I'm wondering is with Asian languages being much more difficult to translate using anything other than manually translating, would make sense to have a site with "two" (or more) forks? Would Joomla 1.5 support that?

Here in Japan we are going to initially support 4 languages: Japanese, English, Spanish and Portuguese.  Yeah, I know, very interesting.  We have a very diverse community here. 

Of course it's entirely possible that I don't understand Joom!Fish properly at this point.  I've been very busy working on getting my own basic site transfered to Joomla.  It's working out pretty well.  Of course I want to design more custom template after I get all the content entered.  One thing at a time I guess :-)

I sure appreciate all the support in this forum!  It has made the job a lot easier than it would be without.  Very impressive community.

Thanks,

-John

[duvien]

@mcbade, the only way to find out more about joomfish is to test it out. Brain has made a wonderful Demo CD (which you run a demo site of Joomla right off the CD without any need to install ). On this CD he has included Joomlfish. Please download it and ige it a try, you'll finds it here: http://www.joomla.org/content/view/1079/37/

And marvel at Joomafish (it's not machine translation). 


To the Core Team members - I've only one thing to say, "You guys ROCK! big time!" 

[fapeixoto]

Hello John what is your site?

I'm a portuguese and I work in a portuguese cultural institution. You said that your site will be translated in portuguese, so... i'm curious

By the way Joomfish works like a charm. Very soon the website that I'm working on will be available and it will have versions in portuguese, english and chinese. So far it is working quite well. I'm just not shure about searching the site in chinese because I still didn't try it out.

Be well
FaPeixoto