Could it be that its sometimes better to open a new entry?

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Could it be that its sometimes better to open a new entry?

Post by skOre » Mon Sep 10, 2007 6:42 am

Hey folks and moderators!

I'm a bit concerned with the ratings on the AEC, but please don't understand this as whining - I just want to know whether my observation of the ratings system is accurate or not. I don't want any special treatment or anything.

Ok, that out of the way, here is what is strange to me:

The AEC is currently on spot 5 in "payment systems" under e-commerce. It has 59 votes and 37 reviews. Of these, we know that 30 are 5-star votings.

This entry has been around for quite some time and since I have only been able to give the development and customer support full attention in the past half year, I estimate that there is quite a number of old votings that just would not come up like this today.

What I find problematic now is that on the second spot in the ladder is an entry which has 7 votes and 6 reviews. Of these we can gather that it has at least 5 times 5-star rating.

So how can it be that an entry, which was rated "best" 6 times more than another entry still ranks 3 places lower?

I guess that the answer will be that the problem lies with the grey-zone votings that we have no information about. But if that is the case, it would make more sense to start over every once in a while, wouldn't it?



And again - not to be whining, I have no issues with being in that spot - but could it be that the rating is a tad off balance here?

A few ideas:

-> Votings that don't come with a review should not count as much since it is far more likely that it is either not well thought through or artificial

I have already talked to a lot of people giving me a bad voting AND review and they have agreed that they were wrong and glad I could help them out. This is also why I have it as a necessity to register on my site (for free) - as I can most of the times make a link by searching out the ExtensionsDirectory username in my own database.

In any case, votings WITH a review are a lot more helpful for users to make an estimation. While it is nice to just "flip a star rating" quickly, I find that less useful and it should not count as much.

-> Very old votings (and maybe reviews also) should not count as much

I don't think that we need any fancy gradual decline of importance here, but maybe votes that are older than half a year or maybe even a year should not count up that much. In software development, already half a year can mean mountains of difference.

-> It should be more transparent how many votings of how many stars were given

Maybe add a small overview. If you know how amazon.com does it for example, you know what I mean. I find this incredibly helpful, not only as owner of an entry, but for the customers as well. If you SEE that there are 30 "best" and maybe 5 "worst" ratings, that can help you make a better estimation of the quality of the opinions.

-> It should be easier to contact disgruntled customers

Now I don't mean to encourage stalking every customer down who gave you "only" 4 stars. But as I said earlier - maybe a customer just got something wrong. Most will try another way and find out how to do it better, but certain types will go to the Directory and write a flaming review about how nothing works at all. Or even worse - just leave a bad voting that you cannot trace.

Many of these "0 star - nothing works!"-customers even claim to have tried to contact me, which is obviously a false claim in most cases. But getting in contact with them on my part is what I consider to be a huge factor in good customer support.


Ok, just a few ideas, let me hear what you think about it ;)
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Re: Could it be that its sometimes better to open a new entry?

Post by skOre » Mon Sep 10, 2007 6:51 am

As a small aside here:

Can somebody explain to me what exactly "favoring" an extension means... technically? And why some extensions are favored more times than they are actually voted for?
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Re: Could it be that its sometimes better to open a new entry?

Post by ot2sen » Mon Sep 10, 2007 7:56 am

Hi skOre,

Thanks for your feedback. Always nice when users and developers share their view on how JED could be improved  :)

For your entry question/headline the answer must be yes and no  ;)
Basically its a developer decision whether they choose to delete old listing and submit a new listing instead.
There are some pros and cons by doing so.
Do see how a fresh start can be a positive move when extension has gone through a cycle of alpha/beta/rc and turn into stable state, and naturally will get better reviews/votes.
The downside would be that all former reviews/votes and favoured would be lost when starting from scratch.

Votings/Reviews:

Fully combined reviews/votes are what we are heading for.
We would also like to see votes/reviews sometime in future being tied to version of extension. That would solve quite a few issues with outdated reviews and whether a developer should need to start from scratch.

For now very old votes/reviews that no longer are correct because of updated extension can always be reported by developer and then removed.
(That would be good and bad votes  :) )

Overview of vote span. Something like a histogram view has been suggested earlier. Suggestion noted once again.

Easier contact of reviewer: That wont happen. We never share/reveal info about users of JED. Please see rules.
But an improved way for users to get in contact with developers are being worked at.
That is done to ensure that support- or bugrelated "reviews" dont just get rejected. Instead such input can be sent to the developer to help improve their extension based on user feedback

Favouring: Means that x numbers of users have added this extension to their list of favorites in their JED user menu.
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Re: Could it be that its sometimes better to open a new entry?

Post by skOre » Mon Sep 10, 2007 9:35 am

As for the yes/no answer - yup, that is what I was pretty much planning for anyways. It will be a pity for the lost reviews, but probably worth it. A version-based review system could indeed make this simpler, since that would be making what most do anyhow into a streamlined process.

Overview on votes: A Histogram would be a nice feature indeed as it would create a sense of development for the user. Extensions are indeed not like products on amazon which cannot change, so it really does make sense.

Contact to Reviewer: Yeah, what I expected and I can of course understand your point.
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