What i would require for a non-profit site

[daniel1987]

Hi,

Just decided to take alook at joomla. i am the webmaster at http://www.4thgolcarscoutgroup.org.uk i would be looking for a CMS which allowed me to base the site on the current design.

But the major thing would be the ability to allow users access to pages which are only within their section, i.e. a Scout Leader would only have access to the Scout Pages, where as a Cub Scout Leader would only have Access to the Cub Scout Pages.

Anyone have anything which may allow this, or even know if Joomla already allows this?

Thanks in Advance

Daniel

[cozimek]

Hi Daniel,

Currently, the ability to limit editing to certain areas of content in Joomla is not integrated into the system.  There are a number of developers here that are working on the ACL, which will provide access level control on a fine tuned level such as by section or category of content.  I'm not sure that this will be out until Joomla 1.2, however.

Best,
Ryan

[daniel1987]

Thanks for the quick reply,

Nice to see a feature in the planning

This would realy help with allowing multiple users but only giving them so much access

Hope to see this soon.

Thanks Again

Daniel

[iE85]

Yes, that is also something that I've always wanted to see more development with is the users and user groups section.  Not only in the nonprofit that I run, but also in a corporate environment in which we have been slowly working to migrate towards Mambo/Joomla.

[daniel1987]

This is a shot in the dark but is there any time you may have before 1.2 is out? - months, years etc.

I know its a stupid question but diffrent scripts are updated at diffrent speeds and just wonded how long you are meaning when you say proabably wont be out till 1.2

[toubkal]

The roadmap http://www.joomla.org/content/view/14/28/ shows 1.1 being out last quarter of 2005 / first quarter 2006. No dates for 1.2 onwards but must be after this.

[mcsmom]

When you say "access" do you mean that those without access cannot see the pages? Or that they can't edit them?
There are definitely ways to accomplish either, but it takes a little doing. It also depends how secure you require things to be.
For example, on my school site, anyone can see the homepage of any group, but if they aren't being nosey they don't go to them because when they log in they get a menu that makes them select a group. That's the simplest thing.

You can also use myhomehage and create what he calls "themes" which is basically groups. The owner of a page can  limit access to specific themes.

[daniel1987]

ok for example,

i have 4 sections / categories. - including static pages.

The editors for section 1 can only edit category 1, but view category 1,2,3 and 4.

The editors for section 2 can only edit category 2, but view category 1,2,3 and 4.

etc etc

[triple5]

Hi there, I was interested in Mambo, too, in fact I tested it for my organisation, but the same problem as daniel1987, The access control level is not there.

Many Organisations have a structure level for their organisation, I am in a martial arts organisations and there will be contents that is only for a certain type of experienced user.

As for daniel1987 there needs to be access control but in my organisation this is even more finely structured, I will try to bring light to this:


MasterAdvisers
Top level managers /
Country SecretariesCountry Head
teachersAdvisor's
Region SecretariesChief TrainersBranch Administration
Trainers:relevant data of all studentsSecretariescan see all membership data of all branch membersAdministrationlimited membership information of branch and administrative contacts of other branches within Region/ international contact has to go through communication with Region secretary or by personal contact/exchange
Students by branch:Blue Belts: can see information relevant for them and any level below, but only limited membership information of branch
Red Belts: can see information relevant for red and below but only membership information for friends within branchOrange Belts: can see information relevant for orange but membership information only of friends
Green Belts / Beginners: can only see their own membership information and friends membership info
Friends: no special information except open events, newsletter subscription etc.


This is obviously quite a complicated thing to manage... and so far there has been little found on that subject.
We would look into designing a way so that members can do their shopping through the website (clothing etc.) and also that the Trainers can exchange information in a closed area (group membership with levels/ multiple group membership)

I have been working on several projects, have done some customization on tikiwiki for this kind of stuff, have looked into drupal, plone and moveable type, I had xoops downloaded and other CMS's but none could do it.
Mambo I liked, but it had this strange policy with MOS... now Joomla is really cool. because it looks good and it is known to one of our guys who used Mambo before.

We are looking also into the localization features to be great, with the ability to have translations of stuff.
last not least, what is really important, is that you guys did really great work, thanks a lot. I will hope that the membership levels will develop soon.

The thing can be done with several groups and individual permission sets for each single item, or even sub-item level.
e.g.
Membership data access:
each member can access her own data fully, but cannot change level of belt. A red belt for example has access to a range of articles and forums that discuss red belt stuff and orange belt stuff and green belt stuff (i.e. accumulative permission)
each member can allow others to access part of his data e.g. add another member to group: email and they can see the email address, or add to group "phone" and then they can see the phone number, or they can let others access their address by adding them to group "address" (i.e. networking ability)
each trainer is automatically part of all groups for his students and can change the belt level, secretary has the same but not the belt level, Administration can only see general membership statistics etc.(customizable administrative permissions)

This is highly complex, so I wonder whether you will be building something like that or something more simple.
However I think that in fact it isn't that complex, after it is set out in the beginning to do it this way. It can always be made simple, for less features, e.g. by default there is only a membership and an authoring membership and a reviewer membership, this can be split up in areas.

my Association is Multinational, so that is another problem, the mamblefish or joomlafish has to work well.
Now there is the last thing: The Association that I work for is from Indonesia, and there Joomla (In Bahasa Indonesia: Jumlah) means amount, Sum, Count, just for your info, I like the swahili translation better though...

[dmcole]

I believe the Core Team is integrating phpGACL (http://phpgacl.sourceforge.net/), which will therefore support a wide variety of different authorization schemes, ranging from simple to complex.

\dmc

[hanzo]

I have a similar requirement, but there's really not a great amount of open source software out there that can accomplish this. I settled on Joomla/vbulletin with vbridge installed. The permissions system of vbulletin is perfect for this kind of thing, although obviously everything would be prettier if I could run it through joomla frontpages instead.

[micheas]

I know that this is the Joomla board, but I would recommend looking at www.plone.org for well developed ACL.

It is designed for large organizations and sites. It scales to multiple servers with very little effort.

Joomla is great for website management, for content, that happens to be web accessable,  management Plone is a solution you should consider.

[rjblanchette]

Here is a post from the Administration forum that talks about ACL http://forum.joomla.org/index.php/topic,14298.0.html They mention a site http://www.byostech.com that has developed a component JACLPlus.